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 Post subject: Richard III
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2015 17:32 
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well they've finally buried Dick the Shit - seems he went back to Leicester after all - Mick will be so happy! Just think all that ratepayers money spent on burying somebody who'd been dead for 500 years - but well he WAS a king now wasn't he? Seems they just love kings in Leicestershire! At least we down yer in Debon flew the Royal Standard outside the pub for him! Would Mick and his cronies have done that? probably not, that would have cost real money!


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2015 21:09 
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for those remarks you get a ,,,,,,,,,,,,no let you off this time....hes not been laid to rest yet,,,so keep them flags flying for another day..


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
PostPosted: 26 Mar 2015 18:19 
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aye seems they are dragging it out a bit, poor awld bugger, you'd think after some 500 years they could finally get the awld bugger into a decent bed don't you? Still a nice velvet lined box after some several hundred years in a car-park seem like heaven to the awld king! Especially when you consider the scorn and hatred that has been poured on his head since the day he lost the battle!


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
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that stanley bloke from warwick turned against him,, thats why he became known as the king maker...


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
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not Dionne's dad?

Don't you mean Richard Neville Earl of Warwick? Who the fcuk was this Stanley fellah?


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
PostPosted: 27 Mar 2015 20:01 
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if you look it up you will find out how this stanely bloke was..


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
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Stanley? Capital of the Falklands or the newshound that found Doc Livingstone in da jungle? Surely not the same bloke, he'd be ancient if he was! Nearly as old as Harry (your old mate)


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
PostPosted: 28 Mar 2015 16:37 
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ah this Stanley, rather a minor player in the face of things -

The traditional view of the king's famous cries of "Treason!" before falling was that during the battle Richard was abandoned by Lord Stanley (made Earl of Derby in October), Sir William Stanley, and Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland. However, the role of Northumberland is unclear; his position was with the reserve—behind the king's line—and he could not easily have moved forward without a general royal advance, which did not take place. Indeed, the physical confines behind the crest of Ambion Hill, combined with a difficulty of communications, probably physically hampered any attempt he made to join the fray. Despite appearing 'a pillar of the Ricardian regime,' and his previous loyalty to Edward IV, Lord Stanley's wife, Lady Margaret Beaufort, was Henry Tudor's mother, and Stanley's inaction, combined with his brother's entering the battle on Tudor's behalf was fundamental to Richard's defeat. The death of John Howard, Duke of Norfolk, his close companion, may have had a demoralising effect on Richard and his men. Either way, Richard led a cavalry charge deep into the enemy ranks in an attempt to end the battle quickly by striking at Henry Tudor himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
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interestingly -

Accounts note that King Richard fought bravely and ably during this manoeuvre, unhorsing Sir John Cheyne, a well-known jousting champion, killing Henry's standard bearer Sir William Brandon and coming within a sword's length of Henry Tudor before being surrounded by Sir William Stanley's men and killed. The Burgundian chronicler Jean Molinet says that a Welshman struck the death-blow with a halberd while Richard's horse was stuck in the marshy ground. It was said that the blows were so violent that the king's helmet was driven into his skull. The contemporary Welsh poet Guto'r Glyn implies a leading Welsh Lancastrian Rhys ap Thomas, or one of his men, killed the king, writing that he "killed the boar, shaved his head". The identification in 2013 of King Richard's body shows that the skeleton had 11 wounds, eight of them to the skull, clearly inflicted in battle and suggesting he had lost his helmet. Professor Guy Rutty, from the University of Leicester, said: "The most likely injuries to have caused the king's death are the two to the inferior aspect of the skull—a large sharp force trauma possibly from a sword or staff weapon, such as a halberd or bill, and a penetrating injury from the tip of an edged weapon." The skull showed that a blade had hacked away part of the rear of the skull. King Richard III was the last English king to be killed in battle.


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 Post subject: Re: Richard III
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thanks for that sw now you know who stanley was,,,and of cause i know a lot more now... three cheers for richard for putting leicester on the map..


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